Pleasures are actually mild to moderate pain caused by force:

 

Pleasures are actually mild to moderate pain caused by force:

The gentle breeze is pleasant, seems harmless and good for you but you are deceived, it's also attacking you like everyone and everything else in this world including you who is your own worst enemy, a lot of your daily suffering are unnecessarily created and allowed by you and you are foolishly saying and doing things that are not only suffering but incur debts to be repaid in the future, will wear down your mind and body.

The breeze is plying you with mild harmful force that wears you down, tires you later, it can make you catch a cold. Because you are foolishly attached to the pleasure of the breeze and many other things you will be bonded to return here endlessly mostly as animals.

Nowadays I have reached the highest states of the mind, I don't depend on, don't need breezes to be happy, I  minimize my exposure to breeze and because I am not hooked on pleasures and I have not created debts to repay I heading out of this world to safety.

All those hooked on, seek pleasures are fools never wise. You cannot have pleasure without pain that leads to death because pleasure like pain are caused by the same evil, harmful force, mild to moderate force is experienced as pleasure, strong force gives pain. Pleasure also harms you but corrosively without you realizing.

Pleasure is deceptive, no pleasure nor pain is higher freedom from suffering and those whose minds have reached the absence of force neither pain nor pleasure have the highest longevity, they live for 500 world cycles or ages in heaven without suffering and dying.

PLEASURE IS ACTUALLY MILD PAIN THAT'S HARMFUL CUMULATIVELY. FORCE IS THE SAME DEVIL RESPONSIBLE FOR PLEASURE AND PAIN AND THOSE EHO HAVE SHUT THEIR MINDS FROM ALL FORCE TO REACH THE FOURTH HIGHEST STATE OF THE MIND, NEITHER PAIN NOR PLEASURE HAS THE LONGEST LIFESPAN IN HEAVEN, 500 WORLD CYCLES COMPARED TO 1 WORLD CYCLE FOR NO STYLE, 2 WORLD CYCLES FOR NO THINKING AND FOUR WORLD CYCLES FOR NO EMOTIONS.

Only the Buddha said this and it's a truth not memory subject.

Whoever has a dependency has a wavering, whoever has no dependencies has no wavering and that's release from bondage and suffering.

Whoever has no dependencies on pleasures, on others has no suffering, bondage.

I  HAVE WHITTLED DOWN MY DEPENDENCIES ON THINGS AND OTHERS, I DON'T DEPEND ON MY HI FI OR FOOD OR SIGHTS OR ANYTHING FOR SUSTENANCE.

Who is truly independent?

Do everything yourself, don't trouble others, don't need others.

Do and say as little as possible.

Stop all activities including thinking.

The Buddha said, good is cessation, good is when they forever cease.

Stop style, stop thinking, stop emotions, stop feeling, stop all actions and speaking.

 

There will be terrible suffering at the close of the age:

There will be mass migration, suffering and quakes in many place.

Jesus: 15*    "So when you see the desolating sacrilege spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains; 17*  let him who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house; 18 and let him who is in the field not turn back to take his mantle. 19*  And alas for those who are with child and for those who give suck in those days! 20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a sabbath. 21*  For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been shortened

Correct and wrong logic:

There is true and false logic which is about using memory to solve memory problems nothing to do with understanding.

Truth and good never has problems to solve so logic has nothing to do with truth and good. Ordinary people's logic is defective.

If Zalina Azman intended to abscond she wouldn't have renovated her house so the fact she was renovating means she intended to stay and her disappearance is likely foul play, she was living alone in a bungalow and good target for kidnap, rape and murder.

IF YOU HAVE TRUE LOGIC, PIECES OF INFORMATION CAN TELL YOU A LOT WHAT LIKELY HAPPENED.

Truth happens only one way always:

Whatever is the truth happens one way, no other ways, is the same, applies to everyone.  Whatever is not the truth can happen in two or more ways.

In the case of Zalina Azman's disappeared, it's something happening not the truth and so it can happen in more than one way, she could have been raped and killed, kidnapped or she could have arranged her disappearance.

Whatever is the truth happens only one way. Thus if it's the truth style causes stress, restlessness and distraction in the person and others then it's always the case,  not sometimes cause stress, cause stress oy in some, is happiness for some, stress for others.

Thus if it's true there's God and the Devil, heaven and hell then it applies for everyone,  there's God,  Devil, heaven and hell.

WHAT'S NOT THE TRUTH, THINGS HAPPENING CAN HAPPEN IN MULTIPLE POSSIBLE WAYS. WHAT'S THE TRUTH HAPPENS ONLY ONE WAY, THE SAME FOR EVERYONE. IF THINKING AND EMOTIONS CAN BE STOPPED, IT CAN BE STOPPED FOR EVERYONE EVEN IF YOU AND EVERYONE HERE CANNOT DO SO.

Brahmas have reached the fourth highest state of the mind:

God is Brahma, Jesus is also Brahma, all brahmas have reached the fourth highest state of the mind and beyond because they're formless, have no bodies unlike angels and you must dispel all forms to reside in infinite space and consciousness to be formless. God can instantly take on a human form to meet angels when light appears, God appears but normally brahmas are formless meaning they reside in the fourth highest state of the mind, neither pain nor pleasure and have no form or body to reside in infinite space or consciousness.

There is the formed universe, infinite space, infinite consciousness and nothingness. Not having form or bodies, brahmas must reside in infinite space or above.

US economy not on a knife edge:

The US economy is not on knife edge but the rate hikes is its death knell because a lot of individuals, companies even banks depend on zero interest rate to survive and any rise in interest rates will trigger default that will cause a collapse of the economy and mass unemployment.

No informed consent, no autopsies, information suppression points to fake vaccine conspiracy:

A 28 year old Australian woman studying to be a veterinarian collapsed and died after the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine and her death was attributed to asthma she never had.

UNLESS AUSTRALIAN AUTHORITIES HAVE DONE AUTOPSIES ON ALL THOSE DYING AFTER VACCINATION TO EXCLUDE SPIKE PROTEIN INFILTRATIONS IN HEART AND OTHER VITAL ORGANS, IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE AND CRIMINAL FOR THEM TO DISMISS THESE DEATHS AS UNRELATED BECAUSE THEY'RE MASS VACCINATING EVERYONE WITH A NEW UNPROVEN POTENTIALLY DEADLY VACCINES.

NOT ONLY HAVE WESTERN GOVERNMENTS FAILED TO INFORM BEFOREHAND THEIR CITIZENS OF THE SERIOUS FATAL RISKS TAKING THE VACCINE,  THEY HAVE FAILED TO CONDUCT SIMPLE AUTOPSIES ON THOSE WHO DIED TO RULE OUT SPIKE PROTEIN ATTACKS ON VITAL ORGANS LIKE HEART, OVARIES, BRAIN, LIVER, KIDNEYS.

ALL THESE POINT TO A DELIBERATE CONCERTED ATTEMPT BY GOVERNMENTS WORLDWIDE TO VACCINATE EVERYONE WITHOUT INFORMED CONSENT, WITHOUT AUTOPSIES MANY WHO HAVE DIED AFTER VACCINATION THAT POINTS TO THEIR MALICE TO HARM EVEN KILL THEIR CITIZENS.

Even Pfizer disclosed in freedom of information court order 1200 have died in the first three months of vaccination and even more have suffered serious side effects like abortion, strokes, clots, myocarditis.

It's clear, indisputable governments worldwide are guilty of complicity, malice and irresponsibility coercing their citizens including young children seldom infected,  those recovered and pregnant women to be vaccinated otherwise they cannot work or travel, they have failed to get informed consent before vaccination, suppressed public access to information about lethal vaccine effects let alone inform them before vaccinating and they failed to do AUTOPSIES to rule out spike protein attacks in organs.

IT'S VERY CLEAR THERE'S CRIMINAL BREACH OF TRUST BY GOVERNMENTS WORLDWIDE.

PFIZER DATA WAS WITHHELD, SHOWED 1200 DEATHS, GOVERNMENTS SUPPRESS PUBLIC ACCESS TO SUCH INFORMATION, FAILED TO GET INFORMED CONSENT BEFORE VACCINATION INSTEAD DEMANDED EVERYONE INCLUDING CHILDREN, PREGNANT WOMEN AND THOSE RECOVERED VACCINATE OR THEY CANNOT WORK OR TRAVEL. THEY HAVE NOT DONE SIMPLE AUTOPSIES TO RULE OUT SPIKE PROTEIN ATTACKS WHEN PRIVATE AUTOPSIES HAVE SHOWN SUCH SPIKE PROTEIN ATTACKS.

WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED THERE IS A CONSPIRACY BY GOVERNMENTS WORLDWIDE TO HARM THEIR POPULATIONS?

EVEN SINGAPORE GOVERNMENT MAY BE COLLUDING, COMPLICIT.

What's the reason people see but don't see the truth?

People in this world see emotionally in snapshots and then refer to their memory for recorded explanations or delusion what is happening they see that's why they never see the truth.

To see the truth you must not see in snapshots, must not consult your memory or thinking for explanations what you see.

PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD ARE HARASSED, STRESS, THEY SEE IN SNAPSHOTS NOT ENTIRELY AND REFER TO THEIR MEMORY OR THINKING FOR ANSWER.

People in this world are looking for cues never the truth when they see. Thieves are looking for things to steal not looking for the truth.

They have a library of explanations of what they are seeing and they look for cues that tell them this is the recorded explanation that best fits and that's what they are seeing.

ORDINARY PEOPLE HAVE A LIBRATY OF REVORDED EXPLANATIONS OF WHAT MIGHT BE SEEING AND THEY ONLY SEE IN SNAPSHOTS FOR SUFFICIENT CUES FOR THEM TO DECIDE WHICH RECORDED REPLAYABLE EXPLANATIONS FITS BEST.

THEY ARE FOREVER SEEING REPLAYED EXPLANATIONS.

WHAT I SAY ABOVE MAY BE EXACTLY HOW PEOPLE WHO ARE ROBOTS SEE.

NOWADAYS I DON'T SEE IN SNAPSHOTS AND JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS BUT I SEE ATTENTIVELY WHAT IS THE MEANING OF WHAT'S HAPPENING BEFORE ME. I DON'T JUMP TO RECORDED REPLAYED EXPLANATIONS.

Evil begets other evils never good:

Only truth begets truths,  whatever is false begets Only falsity, suffering begets only other suffering never happiness or release from suffering, evil begets other evils and so because ordinary people are shrouded in falsity, evil and suffering they can only go around in circles doing and saying things that will create more suffering never escape from suffering for them.

Thus style which is false and suffering using force unnecessarily to prolong, change speed and loudness begets more suffering in stress, restlessness and distraction that forces the person to keep on practicing style.

Playing the piano is a pure memory feat and the music it produces can never lead the person to truth but music produced is itself a subject for pure memory and wickedly stirs harmful emotions in self and others.

PLAYING PIANO OR GUITAR IS A PURE MEMORY AND SUFFERING FEAT AND THE MUSIC THEY PRODUCE MUST SIMILARLY BE PURE MEMORY AND SUFFERING NEVER HAPPINESS AND TRUTH.

EVIL BEGETS MORE RESULTS NEVER GOOD RESULTS AND THE PERSON IS TRAPPED IN DEEPER AND DEEPER HARDER TO ESCAPE SUFFERING AND DIES IN DESPAIR.

THUS EVIL STYLE CAUSES EVIL STRESS, RESTLESSNESS AND DISTRACTION THAT TRAPS THE PERSON DERPER AND DEEPER IN STYLE UNLESS HE CAN BREAK THE VICIOUS CIRCLE OR SOMEONE INTERVENES TO HELP HIM BREAK THE VICIOUS CIRCLE.

MEMORY SUBJECTS CAN ONLY LEAD TO MORE MEMORY NEVER TRUTH SUBJECTS,  EVIL CAN ONLY LEAD TO MORE EVIL RESULTS NEVER GOOD RESULTS.

Never by thinking is truth found:

Philosophers, scientists, religious and ordinary people think to discover the truth about existence and find a way out of suffering and death but they will never find the answer because their thinking is purely a process of blind record replay memory and can only provide blind record replay memory answers to memory questions never supply the truth about existence, suffering and death.

Similarly scientists are deluded science which is a blind memory subject can lead them to the truth about existence.

WHAT SCIENTISTS AND ORDINARY PEOPLE USE TO DISCOVER THE TRUTH ABOUT LIFE IS THINKING AND THINKING IS JUST BLIND RECORD REPLAY MEMORY THAT CAN NEVER TELL ANYONE THE TRUTH ABOUT ANYTHING AND SO THEY ARE DOOMED TO FAILURE AND DESPAIR, DISILLUSIONMENT. ONLY BY SEEING IS THE TRUTH ABOUT LIFE SEEN AND THE TTUTH SBOUT LIFE IS NOT EASILY SEEN AND SO LONG AS MEN USE THINKING TO FIND THE TRUTH THEY WILL NEVER SEE THE TRUTH ABOUT LIFE THAT ACTUALLY EXISTS.

THINKING, A PROCESS OF BLIND RECORD REPLAY MEMORY CAN ONLY PRODUCE BLIND MEMORY RESULTS NEVER LEAD TO THE TRUTH. ONLY SEEING WHICH PEOPLE LACK AND THE BUDDHA POSSESSED TO THE UTMOST WILL ENABLE THE PERSON TO DISCOVER THE TRUTH OF EXISTENCE, BIRTH, SUFFERING AND DEATH.

In order to see the truth about life you must stop thinking and start seeing and the more you start seeing the more truths you will discover that will finally lead you to the truth about existence which is that it's a consciousness dream, a nightmare than happy dream, if you can walk through walls, fly through the air will you still believe this world is real, exists?

If you can see what others say to you are delusions never correct will you still accept them?

When the person stops thinking and start seeing the truth about things he begins to see more and more about the truth of things until finally he sees all the truths about things.

Memory and force are the twin sources of suffering and death:

The entirety of a substance or food's taste including the pleasure or pain it causes is due to contact with the mixture of chemical force contained in the food reacting with your taste buds in tongue and mouth.

Similarly the entirety of the smell of something is due to contact or reaction between chemicals in the airborne substance and chemicals in your smell or olfactory receptors in the nose.

Sound is due to contact with the force of complex multi frequency sound waves in the incoming air.

Touch is due to contact with mechanical force contacting pressure or force receptors on your skin.

Sight is due to contact with light which is also a force through the eye.  Light too is force that also harms wears down the light receptors in the retina.  At the extreme ends, gamma and x rays and infrared these incoming light has so much energy it can seriously harm you.

No one has ever discovered this very important truth that I have declared.

ALTHOUGH FORCE CAN ENABLE YOU DO ALL SORTS OF PRODUCTIVE WORK, THESE ARE FALSE EVIL PERISHABLE MATERIAL RESULTS NOT GOOD OR NECESSARY.

FORCE IS THE ONLY CAUSE OF PAIN SND PLEASURE AND PLEASURE IS CONTACT WITH MILD TO MODERATE FORCE THAT CUMULATIVELY BECOMES TIRING, WEARS DOWN MIND AND BODY AND LEADS TO SUFFERING NEVER HAPPINESS AFTERWARDS.

AND SO IF A PERSON TRULY WISHES TO ESCAPE DEATH AND SUFFERING, HE MUST STRIVE TO USE AS LITTLE FORCE AS HE CAN AND MINIMISE CONTACT WITH FORCE GENERATED OTHERS OR THE ELEMENTS LIKE  SUN, WIND, NOISE, HEAT AND COLD,  HOT SPICY FOODS.

TO SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE USING FORCE HE MUST DESTROY HIS STYLE THAT'S CONSTANTLY USING FORCE TO STRETCH WORDS, CHANGE SPEED AND LOUDNESS, HE MUST REDUCE HIS THINKING AND EMOTIONS THAT'S CONSTANTLY STIRRING MENTAL FORCE. THE PERSON WHO SEEKS STRONG FAN, STRONG AIR CONDITIONING IS A FOOL SEEKING DESTRUCTION OF HIS BODY. HE REDUCES ALL WORK, SPORTS AND EXERCISE TOO IS WORK. THINKING TOO IS WORK.

FORCE IS EVERYWHERE IN THIS WORLD BUT FORCE IS NOT EVERYTHING AND FORCE IS EVIL, THE ONLY CAUSE OF SUFFERING AND DEATH AND THE WISE PERSON LEARNS TO END ALL USING AND EXPOSING TO FORCE.

NO ONE HAS EVER SAID WHAT I SAID ABOVE JUST AS NO ONE HAS EVER SAID STYLE IS THE CAUSE OF INSOLUBLE RENEWING STRESS, RESTLESSNESS AND DISTRACTION, THINKING IS PURE MEMORY ACTIVITY AND EMOTIONS ARE HARMFUL MEANINGLESS DANGEROUS STIRRING OF MENTAL FORCE OR CHEMICAL RELEASE OF ELECTRICAL IONS IN BRAIN CIRCUITS.

YOU MAY THINK WHAT SAID IS WORTHLESS BUT IT'S THE ONLY WAY OUT OF ENDLESS DEATHS AND SUFFERING YOU DON'T REALISE YOU ARE DOOMED FOR BECAUSE YOU HAVE STYLE, THINK A LOT AND ARE VERY EMOTIONAL, HEADING FOR ETERNAL PERDITION,  TORMENT MOSTLY IN THE ANIMAL WORLD.

Force is a fabrication not true and can be circumvented which is why the Buddha can make it impossible for anyone to split some logs.

Blind record replay memory is the father of all evil and consciousness and force are fabrications using memory.

BLIND RECORD REPLAY MEMORY IS THE SOURCE OF ALL SUFFERING AND FORCE IS THE AGENT OF MEMORY THAT INFLICTS SUFFERING, DEGENERATION THAT ENDS IN DEATH.

MEMORY AND FORCE ARE THE TWO SOURCES OF EVIL, SUFFERING AND DEATH THOSE WHO ARE WISE STEER CLEAR OF USING AND EXPOSING TO.

Like all things evil, force and memory invite you to use them and gradually they seize control of you, you cannot stop using them, you increasingly use them and they will torment and slowly kill you.

The savings of many Americans may be a mirage:

Calpers (California public employees retirement systems) lost 69 billion due to bad risky investments.  A lot of people are going to find their savings they think they have vanished by corruption and mismanagement of entrusted officials and America will be hit hard by sudden unexpected poverty.

Why people’s speech are difficult to grasp:

There are three reasons why it's difficult, a struggle to get what emotional stylish people are talking about.

First their styles distract, distort what they are saying as when a foreigner going to Australia or Britain or America struggle to get what they are saying because their pronunciation or style is very different, unfamiliar.  Some syllables are very soft even absent, others very loud and prolonged.

Ordinary people have no understanding making their speech difficult to grasp. They're unnecessarily longwinded, beat around the bush, stray from the matter at hand.

All memory subjects are difficult to grasp because they demand you record correctly what is said that cannot be seen but must be remembered.

SPEECH DIRECTED AT OTHERS MEMORY ARE ALWAYS DIFFICULT TO GET.  PEOPLE HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING SO THEY SPEAK NONSENSE, STRAY BESIDES THE SUBJECT. THEIR STYLES OR SLANGS MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO GRASP ESPECIALLY IF YHE DLANG IS NOT FAMILIAR.

He is sarcastic and that is never the way to heaven:

He is sarcastic attacking Najib indirectly meaning the opposite of what he says and that means lying and ill will, not qualities for heaven but hell. Not even mankind's religious leaders will point this out because they don't know, don't understand.

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Dr Raman Letchumanan

 

"The appellant (Najib) explained that he joined many others in their confidence that the Malaysian legal system and legal processes will prove his innocence and provide justice that all Malaysians deserve in law."

 

I am one of the many who believe in your innocence, and that the court will provide justice all Malaysians deserve in law.

 

So the question is why are you attempting to delay being freed by the Federal Court. You have already done that for the last 4 years, and it would be a record in the Malaysia Book of Records, or even in the Guiness Book of Records, for the most postponed and most ridiculous excuses in a court case.

 

You are the only convict who does not want to be proven innocent at the earliest opportunity. I don't know about you, but it is excruciatingly painful for all Malaysians and the world to wait for the final verdict, a verdict which you believe will prove you innocent, but you want to keep postponing. How long do you want to inflict this pain on us.

 

New Zealand police will investigate excessive deaths after vaccination:

NZ says investigating unusual high numbers of deaths after vaccination even in children and adolescents.

https://newspunch.com/jacinda-ardern-left-reeling-as-zealand-police-look-at-investigating-covid-jab-deaths/

Evil can only give evil never good results:

Whatever is false (thinking) can only lead to what is false never the truth,  whatever is evil (stealing) can only lead to what's evil (hell not heaven), whatever is suffering (work, sports) can only lead to what's suffering (destruction of mind and body).

Thinking is simply mentally using memory that can only solve memory problems, it cannot lead to the truth.  Thinking is work and suffering and wears down memory, it cannot lead to happiness but thoughts trigger suffering and worry, the happiness thinking triggers is actually false suffering emotional excitement.

People in this world are deluded and blind, they are blind because they cannot see their styles, thinking and emotions are meaningless,  suffering and they are deluded to think their styles, thinking and emotions will lead them to happiness when they're heading for torment, insanity and destruction and death.

LIKE OIL AND WATER DON'T MIX, HEAVEN AND EARTH DON'T MIX, TRUTH, GOOD AND HAPPINESS ARE SEPARATE WORLDS FROM FALSITY, EVIL AND SUFFERING.  WHATEVER THAT'S FALSE, STYLE, THINKING, EMOTIONS CAN ONLY LEAD TO EVIL RESULTS INSANITY, SUFFERING, DISINTEGRATION NEVER SAFETY AND HEAVEN. AND SO THE WISE FIND OUT WHAT IS FALSE AND HARMFUL AND THEY STEER CLEAR.

It's because the Buddha was dissatisfied with his happiness he kept discarding until he finally reached enlightened, the end of all suffering and death.

Those contented with, exalting their freedom from style will enjoy a limited happiness and lifespan in heaven.  Those not satisfied seek higher emancipation reaching no thinking that unifies their minds giving two world cycles in heaven. Those discontented seeking higher attain destruction of their emotions and even higher freedom from suffering and irrationality and a lifespan of 4 world cycles. Destroying feelings give 500 world cycles in heaven and ignoring all forms gives infinite space and 20,000 world cycles in heaven, destroying space to reach infinite consciousness gives 40,000 world cycles in heaven.  Destroying all fabricating or all using memory gives enlightenment the deathless destination.

People in this world are not satisfied with their money, women, power and material achievements, they are satisfied with their suffering,  think they will be OK when they are heading deeper and deeper into suffering that will be harder and harder to escape and then they're heading for eternal punishment.

It's your happiness and freedom from suffering that you shouldn't be satisfied until you have achieved total destruction of all suffering but what people call happiness is suffering so how can they escape suffering and death?

A longwinded story intended for your memory and stir emotions:

This is a longwinded story and it never requires understanding to write and it's entirely directed with debt at others memory to stir emotions and for memory, anyone interested will be sucked in to suffer not just now but endlessly.  Nowadays I won't trouble myself to read. It's rubbish to those with understanding.

By Mariam Mokhtar.

Whom would you trust to run the country?

July 15,2022

Ten thousand miles away in the United Kingdom, the country may soon see Rishi Sunak as the first British prime minister of Indian ethnicity. In 2021, Kamala Harris, who is of Indian and Jamaican heritage, became America's first Asian American vice-president.

Back in Malaysia, and 64 years after Merdeka, we still argue about the Malays being downtrodden, and the people responsible for retarding the progress of the Malays are, unsurprisingly, the non-Malays.

Whilst other nations have done the metaphorical equivalent of sending men to the moon, we appear to be frozen in time.

Malay politicians create demons out of the non-Malays, discriminate against local Malaysian-born Chinese, and then, in the next breath, welcome the Chinese from the People's Republic of China, with open arms.

There is active discrimination against local, Malaysian-born Indians, but we treat the arrival of the Indian fugitive, Zakir Naik, like he was a head of state or monarch.

Being frozen in time could also apply to the Malaysian Opposition coalition. They appear to be stuck in the reformasi movement of 1998. Instead of rebuilding or rebranding themselves to move with the times, the original movement appears to have become static.

For GE15, the opposition coalition must get rid of the deadwood, hangers-on, divisive characters and control the infighting. They will then have to make hard decisions about a fresh start. If not, then Malaysia may languish, for a further 60 years.