What Jesus said is possible that ‘they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us’ is because for whatever that happens in the world of existence, however complicated, however many things are happening at the same time, there is only one correct version of it that may partially or totally describe it, not many equally valid competing differing versions.
No two views of a subject that DIFFER can be true but either one is partially or totally true or both are wrong, never both true because they differ.
It is wrong view to say that my view that is different from yours is just as valid. Either what I have said eg that there are constant stretching, changes in speed and loudness in the speech of all ordinary people and that these are the roots to the stress, restlessness and distraction they must regularly experience is correct or wrong and if you have a view that is different on these matters, either you or I or both are wrong, we cannot be both right. It does not matter if there are a hundred persons with a hundred different views of this subject about constant stretching, changes in speed and loudness, if I am correct, and their views differ in different ways from mine, they are all wrong.
The reason is because in any event occurring however complicated with many things occurring at once, there is only one version that is true that encompasses all that happened. No one can be in two places at once or do two things at once. If you are sitting you cannot be at that same time standing, if you are talking you cannot be at the same time silent. Therefore, even if an event is very complicated, there are many things at once, they are all fixed not negotiable as they happened together. Only the view that accurately registered in part or totality this event that may have many things happening together is true, whatever else is false.
Stretching of syllables, speed and loudness changes are objective not subjective matters. It is not because I say there is or you insist there isn’t that it is so. They can be demonstrated objectively or in truth to be present or absent. Because it can be objectively demonstrated whether a person’s speech contain stretched syllables, changes in speed and loudness, if you say there aren’t and it can be shown there are, you have wrong view.
How does one derive at the ONLY truth in any event or scene?
There is only one truth of what happened in any event and it is that truth that can only be accessed by seeing that event continuously (not in snapshots) without changes in speed and strength of mental force, without liking (that may lead to staring) or disliking (that may lead to eyeing through the corner or quick withdrawal of gaze) that leads to a live identification of all the relevant factors that occurred in that event in order to come to a conclusion one wants to make. Depending on the person’s discernment, if he sees an event continuously without changes in speed and strength of his mental force, he will arrive at a partial or complete ONLY truth of the event.
Whatever else, anything that is seen partially (in snapshots that may be furtive) or totally (staring forcefully) with constant changes in speed and strength of mental force or with liking and disliking to then look up in one’s mental dictionary to prescribe a meaning to it, is always faulty if not totally false.
There are these two views:
One view is that there is no objective single truth in this world, not one objective truth in anything that occurs and each person is entitled to see or interpret any event as he sees fit, likes or dislikes and they are all equally valid and to be appreciated even if they are logically wrong or faulty or bizarre. This is a tenet of democracy but it is wrong view or laissez faire that anything goes and far from harmless it leads even to hell or the animal womb according to the Buddha. Wrong view is the progenitor of wrong speech and conduct and thence the mass of suffering.
The other view is that there is only a single truth of what happened in any event that can be determined in part or totality by someone who sees things as they are.
Just as there is always a truth to whatever happened, even if the truth is that whatever happened is false or deceptive, there is always reason or reasons to whatever someone says or does even if the reasons are false, not as stated or emotional. Even the man who runs amok has reason or reasons to run amok. It may be because as a result of situational provocation or degenerative impairment of his usual capacity to control his violent impulses so that now he cannot control his paranoia (false perceptions) that trigger violent uncontrollable insane lashing out.
Quote: Expressing a seemingly different view does not in itself negate the truthfulness of the other view. It is only a view. Taken in that context it is a discussion - food for thought.
Comment: Many reading, including the person who wrote it, a riposte to advice I gave him, will see nothing amiss (the writer may even be thrilled by his ‘elegant’ or ‘sophisticated’ reply when it is nothing more than cloaked lashing out), when it can be proven objectively to be untenable, based on false logic and if the person who says it and those who see nothing wrong do not turn back, they are headed for future madness (mad logic to be precise).
I unreservedly reject his view and my view that is borne not out of knee jerk emotional antagonism but calm appraisal, is the complete opposite, namely:
“Expressing a different view ALWAYS negates the truthfulness of the other view. It is not only a view but wrong views or views that can be proven logically wrong lead even to hell or the animal womb according to the Buddha. Taken in that context, it (different views) is not a discussion but a parting of ways after stating both parties’ differences of views.”
All views, no matter how muddled or confused or rambling, after careful examination must convey an essential message that can only be either the same (or similar) or different, they cannot be seemingly different. If you believe seemingly different views exist (give examples) and they do not, you believe (in a forcefully controlled manner) in falsity and will ultimately become mad.
For instance my view is this: Because all sinful conduct is forceful or applies mental force on that person’s mind, every moment’s experience of suffering/ anger (lashing out)/ like & dislike is every moment’s reinforcement of it such that with repeated practice, mental suffering, etc become easier to arise to more intense levels that are increasingly difficult to shake off and the person does not realize he is headed for loss of control and mad uncontrollable suffering, he is at the same time progressively degrading his mind permanently.
I may be right or wrong, partly right or wrong in what I say above but I cannot be also wrong for the parts or the whole that I am right.
If your view is different in part or whole to what I say, it cannot be seemingly different or seemingly the same for the parts or whole that you differ or concur.
THEREFORE THE USE OF ‘SEEMINGLY’ WHETHER CARELESSLY OR INTENDED REFLECTS THE PERSON’S UNCERTAINTY OR HESITANCY WHICH IS NEVER ISOLATED OR HARMLESS BUT SYSTEMIC AND AS THE BUDDHA WARNS, DOUBT AND UNCERTAINTY IS ONE OF THREE LOWER FETTERS TO FUTURE STATES OF WOE, NOT HEAVEN.
Any view that is different must detract from the other view (otherwise why don’t you drop your view and embrace mine or why don’t I drop mine and embrace yours?) and therefore any different view (rightfully or wrongfully) negates the truthfulness of the other view.
THEREFORE TO SAY “Expressing a seemingly different view does not in itself negate the truthfulness of the other view” IS TO SAY SOMETHING THAT MAY APPEAR SOPHISTICATED BUT IT IS BASED ON FALSE LOGIC, LIKE SAYING THAT BLACK IS WHITE AND WHITE IS BLACK AND THOUGH HE MAY STILL BE ABLE TO CONTROL OR REPRESS THE CONTRADICTION THEREIN, HE IS HEADED FOR MAD LOGIC WHEN FOOD IS SHIT AND SHIT IS FOOD.
UNLESS THE PERSON HARBOR DOUBTS ABOUT HIS OWN VIEWS, HE SECRETLY AGREES WITH THE OTHER PERSON, IF HE SEES CALMLY AND CLEARLY THAT HIS VIEW IS CORRECT (EG THAT THERE ARE CONSTANT CHANGES IN SPEED WHEN PEOPLE STRETCH THEIR SYLLABLES) HE CANNOT TRULY APPRECIATE ANY VIEWS THAT DIFFER (PEOPLE DON’T STRETCH THEIR SYLLABLES, THEY DON’T CHANGE SPEED WHEN THEY STRETCH IT). ORDINARY PEOPLE NEVER TRULY APPRECIATE THE VIEWS OF OTHERS THAT DIFFER FROM THEIRS, THEY ONLY CONDESCEND THEY DO OR FAKE SO FORCEFULLY, EMOTIONALLY WELL THEY APPRECIATE THAT THEY NOW BELIEVE THEY ‘GENUINELY’ APPRECIATE WHEN IT IS ELABORATE SELF AND OTHER DECEPTION AND THEY HAVE AN APPOINTMENT WITH MAD PERCEPTION OR PARANOIA IN THE FUTURE.
It is not ‘only a view’ as he states because views are deadly according to the Buddha who said the destination for wrong view is hell or the animal womb, not a slap on the wrist. It is not because the Buddha says so that it is so but it is because as the Buddha said, wrong views lead to wrong speech and conduct and all the mass of trouble that ensues.
Taken in that context it is a discussion – it is not food for thought as he suggests but it is a parting of ways. If you must have your views that differ from the Father and that in heaven, then you must go your own lonely way, suffering and in darkness even for another eternity.
(Nobody truly appreciates others’ different opinions; they only fake to be egalitarian and appreciative in an endeavor that is not without danger because it will lead to final madness, truly believing what he initially faked to believe)
THEREFORE STATEMENTS LIKE THAT ABOVE THAT PEOPLE AND THE PERSON TAKES FOR GRANTED AS TRUE OR VALID CAN BE PROVEN OBJECTIVELY TO BE FALSE AND HARMFUL. THE MOTIVE BEHIND HIS MESSAGE IS EMOTIONAL, TO DELIVER ANOTHER SWIPE AT ME THAT A LESSER PERSON MIGHT BE COWED TO ACCEPT AND THEREFORE FEEL GUILTY WHEN HE IS NOT GUILTY.
YOU MAY AGREE THAT SUCH FALSE STATEMENTS THAT THE SPEAKER OBVIOUSLY WANTS THE OTHER PERSON TO BELIEVE OR ENTERTAIN IS NOT HARMLESS BUT GRIEVOUS BECAUSE IT EXERTS PRESSURE ON THE OTHER PERSON TO ADOPT THE SAME VIEWS OR EXPERIENCE CONFLICT OR DOUBT IN HIS OWN VIEWS.
MANY CANNOT AND WILL NOT BELIEVE THEY ARE HEADED FOR MAD LOGIC, MAD PERCEPTION (PARANOIA) AND MAD VIOLENCE/EMOTIONS BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY ARE GREAT LOGICIANS, THEY HAVE FORCEFULLY BELIEVED WHAT THEY SAY AND BELIEVE IS TRUE WHEN IF SUBJECT TO LOGICAL ANALYSIS THEY CAN BE SHOWN TO BE FALSE AND THEY ARE HEADED FOR THE CLIFF NOT SAFETY.
THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUTH IN ANY EVENT OR SUBJECT AND IT IS THAT WHICH IS SEEN IN PART OR TOTALITY BY ANY & ALL PERSONS WHO SEE IT CONTINUOUSLY WITHOUT CONSTANT CHANGES IN SPEED AND STRENGTH OF FORCE OR WITHOUT LIKING OR DISLIKING IT, WITHOUT RELYING ON A MENTAL DICTIONARY OF LEARNT EMOTION CUM APPARARENT LOGIC (ALSO KNOWN AS EXCUSES) MEANINGS TO ATTACH TO THAT EVENT AND THIS IS THE BASIS OF THE UNITY IN HEAVEN, BETWEEN GOD AND ALL THE BEINGS IN HEAVEN, NOT BLIND OBEISANCE TO GOD.
SEEING WITH CONSTANCY IN SPEED AND STRENGTH OF FORCE IS LET YOUR YES BE YES ONLY SEEING BECAUSE THE CONSTANT CHANGES IN SPEED AND STRENGTH OF FORCE IS THE MORE THAT COMES FROM EVIL NOT GOOD, ACCORDING TO JESUS. IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IT IS EVIL, IT IS UNNECESSARY WASTE OF ENERGY THAT APPLIES FORCE ON YOUR MIND CREATING INSOLUBLE STRESS, RESTLESSNESS AND DISTRACTION.
MENTAL FORCE IS THE (BLIND) EVIL IN THE PERSON’S MIND AND MENTAL FORCE CAN ONLY ACT THROUGH CHANGING SPEED, DIRECTION AND STRENGTH. THE ONLY WAY SPEED AND STRENGTH CAN CHANGE IS EITHER UNDULATING UP AND DOWN GIVING RISE TO LIKING OR CONTINUOUS RISING GIVING RISE TO DISLIKE AND DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION, STRENGTH, DIRECTION, WHETHER IT IS FOCUSED OR DIFFUSE, THE VARIOUS EMOTIONS ARE EXPERIENCED.
(Anyone who says that Buddhism and Christianity are incompatible has better sure his view is derived with calm clear reason and not emotion because there is broad agreement in tenets and the scheme of things.
The Buddha said there is heaven and hell, Jesus spoke of eternal habitations that may be in line with what the Buddha said you can be born a animals.
The Buddha said there is God or Great Brahma whom he described as the All-Seeing, All-Powerful, the Maker, Creator, Father of All That Have Been and Shall Be and in one place he said Great Brahma has two sons, Tissa (may be Jesus who is Isa in Islam) and Sanankumaran. He said there have been at least 91 eons that may correspond to what Jesus said about this Age and the Age to come. One eon is the time in which a being wandering from life to life will create a pile of skeleton as high as a mountain. The Buddha calls himself the Perfect One, the One Who Thus Comes and said that for seven eons, he himself had been the powerful One but he has grown tired of all existences and this is his final existence to be born amongst men to teach the path either to heaven or nirvana the total cessation of all separate existence)
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Like & dislike are the only two possible first order consciousness experiences of mental force in action because it is only possible for mental force to change in speed and strength in an undulating up and down manner (experienced as like) or in an accelerating rise (experienced as dislike). There are no other ways for speed and strength of force to change.
Emotions are the second order consciousness experiences of like and dislike in action depending on the strength of like or dislike, whether it is directed inwards or outwards, whether it is sharp or diffuse and what the targets of like and dislike are.
If you vary the current to a bulb in an up and down manner, it will glow and dim in brightness in compliance with the variations in current or strength of electrical force. This glowing and dimming is attractive or liked by beings in this world, a fact that is exploited by advertisers who make the messages they want to convey eg “only fifty cents” or “Buy two get one free” blink to attract attention or trigger undulating rises and falls in the consciousness of those who perceive it.
No one truly likes the flash of a camera flashlight because it is a violent acceleration in brightness caused by the violent acceleration in current (strength of electrical force) applied to the bulb that triggers a similar violent unabated acceleration of speed and strength of the perceiver’s mental force.
These two observations again provide insight into the nature of like and dislike that it is nothing more than the consciousness experiences due to undulating or violently accelerating speed and strength of one’s mental force.
IT IS POSSIBLE TO SUBDUE ONE’S MENTAL FORCE SO THAT IT DOES NOT RISE AND FALL IN STRENGTH AND SPEED IN REACTION TO PHENOMENA BUT IT WILL NOT BE GRANTED BY WISH BUT IT REQUIRES DEDICATION TO PAY ATTENTION TO ONE’S STRETCHING OF SYLLABLES, CHANGING OF SPEED AND LOUDNESS TO EFFACE THAT BY NOW IMPLACABLE URGE TO MINDLESSLY STRETCH AND CHANGE SPEED & LOUDNESS.
By smiling as he is doing he is expressing liking (not love) that is experienced as undulating changes in speed and strength of his mental force. Sometimes there is basis for his smiling and liking, for example he sees adulating journalists swooning on him but often there is actually no reason to smile but he is smiling for show or even hiding his distresses.
If there is in truth nothing for you to smile or like on an occasion and you are only faking it to impress others or hide your distress, aren’t you practicing controlled insanity that you do not realize will become uncontrolled with prolonged practice and old age debility? Even if there is basis for your smile eg you saw a pretty girl smiling at you, you are subjecting your mind to undulating changes in speed and strength of force that conditions it to reproduce it with greater ease with time and also degrades it because force degrades a mind.
Again there is nothing special about him or his smile, he is smiling to express liking that may be genuine or faked to impress others. If it is faked, he is going to go mad with uncontrollable mad or meaningless smiling because he is smiling for no reason in a controlled way to impress others and even himself.
Even if there is genuine liking behind his smile, he is headed for mad restlessness because the liking and the smiling has undulating rising and fall strength of force and speed that is mesmerizing, that with practice increasingly conditions his mind to mindless undulating changes that will end in agony not unalloyed bliss.
KEEP ON SMILING LIKE THEM AND TEMPT FATE. YOU ARE A FOOL. TO SMILE AND KNOW YOU ARE PUTTING A SHOW, HURTING YOURSELF AND OTHERS IS ONE LEVEL OF DECEIT THAT IS REMEDIABLE IF YOU CHOOSE BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE ROOT OF YOUR PROBLEM, TO SMILE AND BELIEVE YOUR SMILES ARE GENUINE, GOOD FOR YOURSELF AND OTHERS IS AN EVEN GREATER LEVEL OF DECEIT THAT WILL BE EVEN MORE AGONIZING BECAUSE YOU CANNOT SEE THE WAY OUT.
AS SARIPUTTA, THE BUDDHA’S DEPUTY SAID, THE MAN WHO IS GUILTY AND KNOWS HE IS GUILTY IS HIGHER THAN THE MAN WHO IS GUILTY AND DOES NOT KNOW HE IS GUILTY BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY OUT OF HIS PREDICAMENT.
Disappointment & Complaining Is Dislike:
Disappointment eg at one’s exam result is a reaction that is a form of dislike. Did Jesus ever express disappointment at anything? It is a form of discontent. Just because your exam result or salary rise is below your expectations does not mean you must be disappointed but if you must be disappointed, you incur additional suffering that is reinforcing.
Complaining is an expression of dislike. Just because something disadvantages you unfairly does not mean you must complain. You can speak out without complaining which demands you speak emotionally with dislike.
THEREFORE ORDINARY PEOPLE SEVERELY UNDERESTIMATE THE EXTENT WITH WHICH LIKE AND DISLIKE RULE THEIR LIVES. OFTEN THEY ARE UNAWARE THEY ARE EXPERIENCING OR EXPRESSING LIKE AND DISLIKE THAT ARE SOURCES OF STRESS NOT UNALLOYED PLEASURE IT IS MADE OUT TO BE.
Stunning:
Quote: Buffet to give stunning $37 billion to charity.
Comment: The news does not stun me one bit and the person who can be stunned is in danger of grave future suffering. By using the word stunning you are also promoting stunning with karma for leading others to suffering.
It is because the person is greedy, for whom money is a preoccupation who will be stunned. When you are stunned there are rapid violent rises and falls of the speed and strength of mental force that seizes the mind into dazed paralysis in response to an event.
Many will be called but few are chosen:
Jesus said many (not all) will be called but few are chosen suggesting that there are those who are not even invited to go to heaven.
He said many are called but few not many or some are chosen suggesting that there is some exclusivity in those chosen.
The reality is that all beings have minds of their own that they do not realize are false and selfish, they desire to exist, they cling on to existence but the price of existence especially deluded existence is exorbitant because each individual’s existence in this world is based on the misery and suffering of others to support it and since they are deluded, they see little or no wrong with themselves when they are constantly persecuting themselves and others with the ways they behave, they will have wander on in suffering from life to life until the day if ever they realize they are the source of their own suffering and they work steadfastly to extricate themselves from sin.
Whether you like it or not, there is heaven and hell and it is the Father (not you) who determines whether you go to heaven or you do not. The Father’s retinue is the highest in heaven and as Jesus said, you must be perfect, as your Father in heaven is perfect. There are many retinues and levels in heaven and at the lower levels the life spans are shorter eg hundreds of thousands of years compared to Brahma’s retinue that is one eon or Age.
The Buddha: Few among men are those who cross to the farther shore. The rest, the bulk of men, only run up and down the hither bank.
And again Jesus spoke to them in parables, saying, 2 "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a marriage feast for his son, 3* and sent his servants to call those who were invited to the marriage feast; but they would not come. 4 Again he sent other servants, saying, 'Tell those who are invited, Behold, I have made ready my dinner, my oxen and my fat calves are killed, and everything is ready; come to the marriage feast.' 5 But they made light of it and went off, one to his farm, another to his business, 6 while the rest seized his servants, treated them shamefully, and killed them. 7 The king was angry, and he sent his troops and destroyed those murderers and burned their city. 8 Then he said to his servants, 'The wedding is ready, but those invited were not worthy. 9 Go therefore to the thoroughfares, and invite to the marriage feast as many as you find.' 10* And those servants went out into the streets and gathered all whom they found, both bad and good; so the wedding hall was filled with guests.
11 "But when the king came in to look at the guests, he saw there a man who had no wedding garment; 12* and he said to him, 'Friend, how did you get in here without a wedding garment?' And he was speechless. 13* Then the king said to the attendants, 'Bind him hand and foot, and cast him into the outer darkness; there men will weep and gnash their teeth.' 14 For many are called, but few are chosen."
Not The Buddha’s Doing:
'This is stress... This is the origination... This is the cessation... This is the way leading to the cessation of stress... These are fermentations... This is the origination... This is the cessation... This is the way leading to the cessation of fermentations.'
The foolish reader may think that the stretching of spaces thus . . . were perpetrated by Buddha when it may not even be in the original Pali version but the stretching of the spaces depicted are the work of the scholar who did the translation into English.
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